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jeanne’s SCEA 5 part 1 experiences

July 16th, 2010 by Jeanne Boyarsky

Six weeks ago, I decided to take the SCEA 5 (Sun Certified Enterprise Architect) exam.  Today I passed part one with a score 87%.

(See part 2 and 3 notes as well)

Note: I did not pay for any mock exams.  I’m sure I would have scored above 90% had I done so.  I don’t think paying money for a higher passing score is worth it.  That isn’t learning for the sake of learning.  It is learning specifically for a test.

Since people at JavaRanch‘s SCEA forum often ask how one studied and about experiences, I decided to blog about it.

Deciding to take the test

The first thing I did was make sure the SCEA was not going away.  After all, who wants to be one of the last people to take the test before Oracle changes things?  As you can see in What’s next for Sun certifications now that Oracle is in charge? The SCEA looks quite stable and likely to continue.

While I’ve read the SCJP book, I’ve never taken the exam.  Multiple choice exams based on minutia that one doesn’t encounter in real life isn’t high on my list of things to do.  The SCEA doesn’t have the SCJP as a pre-requisite and emphasized the practical over trick questions and memorization so I decided to go for it.  Granted it is Sun’s view of the world so Spring and the like don’t fit it, but I find it a lot more relevant that the other exams.

My study plan

My plan was a wee bit vague.  I intended to get the study guide, see what was involved, study/practice as needed and register for the test.  I planned to spend 5-10 hours a week on this.  (I probably did this half the weeks.)  Here’s what actually happened:  [note this is a list of what I did and not what is good to do; see the next section for comments on the resources]

  1. Week 0
    • Decided want to take SCEA.  (My employer thinks it would be nice for people to get certified.  I’ve thought about doing so before, but this provided the final motivation to actually go for it.)
    • Convinced myself it is ok to do shortly before Oracle changes things because the SCEA looks intact.
  2. Week 1
    • Did sample questions to see where I stand.  (I copy/pasted the questions to notepad and removed the (*) next to the correct answers since they aren’t in a form one can use.  It still takes discipline to cheat, but I wanted it as a benchmark.  I got 5 or 6 out of 8 correct.  One of the answers was obviously incorrect.)  While this is (barely) above the passing score, I want to feel more confident before spending money to take the exam.  Decided if I read the SCEA book and practice some, I’ll be more reliably above it.
    • Ordered “Sun Certified Enterprise Architect for Java EE Study Guide“.
  3. Week 2
    • The only thing I did until the book came (Thursday) was look where the testing centers are me.
    • Once the book came, I read the first 5 chapters.  I was surprised by how easy the content was.  I guess this is because I already serve as an architect in some capacity.  This is good; I’ll be able to take Part 1 earlier than expected.
  4. Week 3
    • Registered for exam – since it doesn’t look overly difficult, I decided to take it soon.  I didn’t want to take in July 4th weekend and happened to have a day off work July 16th anyway, so I decided to go with July 16th.
    • Read remainder of book.
    • I had/was fighting off a cold part of the week so didn’t get much done.
    • The book contains sample questions that are supposed to be the level of difficultly of the exam.  (They seemed too easy, but turned out to be correct about the level of difficulty.)  Looked at scores to see how I am doing.  My scores for the chapters were 100%, 50%, 85%, 85%, 67%, 75%.  Some of the questions are not included in this percentage because I saw the answer before choosing one.  It was difficult to cover up the answers well.
  5. Week 4
    • Identified the areas I want to get stronger at:
      1. Make sure I can identify the design pattern names from descriptions.  While I am familiar with all the patterns, I often look them up in real life.
      2. Web Services – I know them in the capacity I have used them , but not as extensively as some of the other content.
    • Made flash cards for the design pattern names.  There are a few that have similar sounding descriptions and I wanted to make sure I could tell them apart.  After making the cards, it turned out I know almost all of them.  I imagine the act of making the cards did that.
  6. Week 5
    • Take free JavaBeat mock exams online to practice.  These were for the SCEA 4 exam, but interesting so I kept going.  Plus they gave me practice taking multiple choice closed book exams; a skill I haven’t used since college.
    • JavaBeat exams showed I need to review design patterns more didn’t do much this week though.  It was just too hot in New York City to think!
  7. Week 6
    • Reviewed the questions I got wrong so they are top of the mind
    • Looked at references from people in the SCEA forum at JavaRanch
    • Remind self not to read into questions (Sun doesn’t seem to think a web app is more secure than a fat client despite the logic being only on the server)
    • JavaChamp mock exam – got low score, but doesn’t tell how many correct answers there all the time so you have to guess how much to think about each question.
  8. The night before
  9. Take the test!

How were the resources I tried or read about?

Resource Cost Tried? Comments
Cade & Sheil Study Guide $40 Yes I relied on it heavily.  See my review on Amazon (which should be up within a day or two for more details.)
Whizlab Mock Trial free Yes 15 questions.  (got 93% on this which is slightly higher than real exam.  others have noted larger differences for Whizlab being easier.)  Satisfied with quality.
Whizlab Mock $100 No n/a – didn’t need extra help passing exam
Epractice Mock Trial free No I wanted to try this but you need a “free license key that gets e-mailed immediately” and it never came.
Epractice Mock $80 No n/a – didn’t need extra help passing exam
Sun’s epractice exam $65 No 120 SCEA 5 questions from Sun

n/a – didn’t need extra help passing exam

JavaBeat SCEA questions free Yes this is NOT for the SCEA 5 exam.  I found the design patterns and scenario questions to be good practice and comparable though.
About.com SCEA questions free Yes this is NOT for the SCEA 5 exam.  I found the design patterns and scenario questions to be good practice and comparable though.
JavaChamp Express Exam free Yes 20 question sample exam

Remember the SCEA 4 exam is quite different and study materials for it should only be used selectively.

What did I read?

Another thing people at JavaRanch typically state is what they read for the exam.  I really only read the Cade & Sheil study guide because so much of the content sounded familiar.  Prior to even thinking about taking the exam I have read many books including:

  1. EJB 3 in Action – see my review at JavaRanch from 2007
  2. Core Java Server Faces – see my review at JavaRanch from 2004
  3. JEE 5 tutorial – see my review at JavaRanch from 2006
  4. Other books further in the past including Gang of Four, Core J2EE Patterns, Design Patterns, etc

My impressions of the exam

  • I had a ton of time.  I completed pass #1 in 45 minutes.  I wrote down on paper which ones I wasn’t 100% sure of.  After pass 1, I calculated the total and I already had more 60% of the questions correct.  I then spent another 25 minutes on pass 2 thinking about the ones I wasn’t sure of or where more complicated.  Caveat: In school, I always finished tests with a load of extra time.  This just means the SCEA was consistent with other exams.
  • I dislike that you can’t review drag and drop questions.
  • Two of the questions I got wrong were because I didn’t realize they were in scope of the test – Java Cryptography Architecture and CORBA.
  • The questions were not tricky.  Subjective maybe, but not tricky.
  • I think this is one of those exams where having more experience hurts you a bit because you read into the questions.  For example, I know that a three tier app is more secure than a two tier app because you aren’t executing business logic on the client.  Sun disagrees.  I know because it is Cade’s book.  I imagine there are other things like that where the experience I have clashes with the test.
  • Most of the questions were high level.  There was only one I can recall that was at the level of what API/class name you would use and it was one every enterprise developer should know.
  • My section scores confirm these impressions.  I got 100% on web tier, applicability of JEE and Patterns.  I got 75% on Security (which would be the cryptography question), 66% on application design concepts and principles (which is only one wrong), 83% on integration and messaging (CORBA plus legitimate mistakes) and 87% on common architectures and business tier technologies (the two areas I suspect real world experience clashed.)

All in all, it was interesting and I felt the test was fair.

Comments

Comment from Vishwa
Posted: July 26, 2010 at 8:23 am

Thanks Jeanne, for sharing your experience and congrats !!

Comment from Jeanne Boyarsky
Posted: July 26, 2010 at 7:59 pm

Thanks Vishwa!

Comment from ShekUp
Posted: July 27, 2010 at 1:59 am

Thanks fr sharing the info. I am planing for SCEA. I have planned for Step 1 in Sep. After reading your blog, I believe this much time is sufficient…Thankx

Comment from Jeanne Boyarsky
Posted: July 28, 2010 at 8:43 pm

Added some books I forgot ‘Other books further in the past including Gang of Four, Core J2EE Patterns, Design Patterns, etc’

Comment from Sancho
Posted: July 30, 2010 at 6:01 am

Great idea. Do you know, when you will starting with the second part?

Comment from Jeanne Boyarsky
Posted: July 30, 2010 at 7:30 pm

I’ll probably start the second part after the summer. I like being outside in the summer and don’t want to be cooped up doing a project then. Plus I have some other stuff to do.

Comment from Leandro
Posted: July 30, 2010 at 9:01 pm

thanks for sharing. congratulations.

Comment from Prashant
Posted: August 9, 2010 at 8:05 am

Congrates for clearing SCEA Part – I.

I am preparing for PART -I SCEA. I have read following books
Head First Design Pattern
Core J2EE Design Pattern
Sun Certified Enteripsie Architect for Java EE Study Guide

I want to know, how much weightage for EJB 3. Are they asking code level details? I am aware with EJB 2 & 3. Have more knowledge about Spring.

I would appreciate your suggestion.

Comment from Jeanne Boyarsky
Posted: August 9, 2010 at 6:53 pm

They did not ask code level details about EJB 3. You should have a familiarity with it on a high level though. The questions in the study guide are an accurate representation. Your knowledge of Spring isn’t helpful here though as Spring doesn’t exist in Sun’s world.

I recommend you ask any further SCEA questions at JavaRanch (http://www.coderanch.com/forums/f-26/java-Architect-SCEA) where more people will see them.

Comment from Vishnu
Posted: August 10, 2010 at 6:02 am

Hi Jeanne,
Its was really useful , i have already started to prepare for the exam.

I am reading the book “Sun Certified Enterprise Architect for Java EE Study Guide (2nd Edition)” , what’s your opnion?

Thanks
Vishnu

Comment from Prashant
Posted: August 10, 2010 at 9:55 am

Appreciated.

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Comment from Jigar Shah
Posted: September 24, 2010 at 12:44 am

Thanks for sharing exprerience.
Planning to give exam 1 Nov. 2010.
exactly 5.14 weeks left from datetime of current post.
Keeping your experence in mind while preperation will help.

Thanks,
Jigar Shah

Comment from Jeanne Boyarsky
Posted: September 24, 2010 at 9:12 pm

Great. I like the precision of your count!

Comment from Yasser Ibrahim
Posted: October 21, 2010 at 2:13 pm

Hello Jeanne,

Thanks for sharing your experience in SCEA with everyone,
and of course special thanks for writing your impression about JavaChamp.
I always benefit from members’ feedback.

Jeanne, Did you have a look at JavaChamp recently?

It has improved in the last couple of weeks,
and most important it now “does” tell how many correct answers are there :o)

If you have got any tips to make JavaChamp better place for all,
please let me know.

Best wishes

Yasser

Comment from Jeanne Boyarsky
Posted: October 21, 2010 at 7:24 pm

Yasser,
I have not been on JavaChamp recently. It’s nice to hear that issue is resolved.

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Comment from AJ
Posted: May 13, 2011 at 11:06 am

Hi Jeanne, great post, very informative and encouraging for prospective exam takers. I wanted to know how would you compare the difficulty level of the Javabeat sample questions to those in the actual exam?

Thanks

Comment from Jeanne Boyarsky
Posted: May 13, 2011 at 8:34 pm

The design pattern questions were about the same level of difficultly. Most of the other questions were on things that are out of scope of the SCEA 5 exam.

Comment from Tej
Posted: May 20, 2011 at 9:45 am

Hi Jeanne,
Really gr8 stuff! All information is most helpful for prospective candidates!
Even I am now more motivated to go for SCEA exam :)
Just need more help from you!
As oracle is introducing this training stuff frm Aug …i need to wind up SCEA all parts before that … and i knw you are the best single point person to ask help for! please help me with the pointers …i am based in london … basically, two days back i got feeling, i should go for SCEA ….so need to start gathering all books and exam vouchers for same …. I will greatly appreciate if you could please direct me in proper directions to get it sorted as fast as possible! As you recommend – shall i go for “Sun Certified Enterprise Architect for Java EE Study Guide (2nd Edition)” ? and where shall i book my exam vouchers? sorry asking silly questions but dont wanna messed at last moment and waste money and time so reassuring! hope you understand!

Many Thanks!
kind regards,
Tej

Comment from Jeanne Boyarsky
Posted: May 20, 2011 at 9:51 am

I didn’t read “Sun Certified Enterprise Architect for Java EE Study Guide” so I can’t comment on it. Have you read all the parts of my blog series on this topic? It addresses most of your questions:

http://www.selikoff.net/2010/07/16/jeannes-scea-5-part-1-experiences/
http://www.selikoff.net/2010/11/17/jeanne%E2%80%99s-sceaocmjca-5-part-23-experiences/
http://www.selikoff.net/2010/08/28/registering-scea-part2/

I also recommend reading the recent threads at CodeRanch (http://www.coderanch.com/forums/f-26/java-Architect-SCEA) as the August deadline are discussed there along with changes in registering. And feel free to post questions there as well.

Comment from Tej
Posted: May 20, 2011 at 10:23 am

Thanks Jeanne!
sorry, but on this post itself for week 1 …you wrote “Ordered Sun Certified Enterprise Architect for Java EE Study Guide“ so i thought you read this book for SCEA! please correct me!

Comment from Jeanne Boyarsky
Posted: May 20, 2011 at 10:27 am

Tej,
You’re right. I did read that book. There are two books with the same title and I got confused. The one I recommend is the Cade/Sheil version and for some reason I was thinking of the other one when I read your post. Sorry for the confusion.

Comment from Tej
Posted: May 20, 2011 at 10:43 am

oh ok! no worries ….so I will go ahead and buy now “Sun Certified Enterprise Architect for Java EE Study Guide (2nd Edition)” by Cade/Sheil ….thnxs!

Lets see! :) …it looks bit tight but have to manage :) ….cheers!

Comment from Raghavan alias Saravanan M
Posted: August 18, 2011 at 10:50 am

I can say that this is the perfect way of sharing an experience of professional certification.

Congratulations Jeanne.

I am sure you may recollect and remember me :) I am a fellow Java Ranch-ian with the name ‘Raghavan Muthu’!!!

Comment from Amandeep
Posted: December 10, 2011 at 3:18 pm

You said you made flash cards for design patterns. I’vent used them ever, could you guide us to the link where we can buy them? Searched staples didn’t made much sense.

Comment from Jeanne Boyarsky
Posted: December 10, 2011 at 3:33 pm

Flash cards are a concept. You buy index cards (which are sold at Staples and drug stores.) 3.5 x 5 inch ones are good. On one side, you write a keyword or question. On the other side, you write the answer. Then you shuffle the cards and quiz yourself. Since only once concept is on each card, you can easily focus on the ones for which you need more help.

Comment from Amandeep
Posted: December 12, 2011 at 6:00 pm

It would be nice, if now you can put link for your amazon review.
Quote
Cade & Sheil Study Guide
“See my review on Amazon (which should be up within a day or two for more details.)”

Comment from Jeanne Boyarsky
Posted: December 12, 2011 at 9:13 pm

I don’t know how to link directly to an Amazon review. Here’s the JavaRanch link though. It’s the same review.

Comment from Amandeep
Posted: December 15, 2011 at 2:11 pm

Jeanne you did not mentioned about J2EE design patterns since it is covered as part of the exam, do you think there is need to buy & go thru this book Core J2EE Patterns: Best Practices and Design Strategies (2nd Edition) ?

Thank for your help. Now you are my role model for the SCEA guidance.

Comment from Jeanne Boyarsky
Posted: December 15, 2011 at 10:23 pm

Either the book or the website. Unless you are familiar with the patterns already in which case the Cade/Sheil book provides enough of a review.

Comment from Jey
Posted: April 22, 2012 at 3:05 pm

Thanks for sharing your experience. I sincerely followed and passed the exam with 90% score this morning.

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Comment from Alex
Posted: May 29, 2012 at 5:47 am

Just finished Week 1 / Step A (mock test) – did 6 out of 8 :D

Comment from Alex
Posted: May 31, 2012 at 2:12 am

How much did it cost you part 1? How about parts 2 & 3? Did you take the mandatory course?

Comment from Jeanne Boyarsky
Posted: May 31, 2012 at 9:55 pm

Each part was $300. So $900. I took the exam before the mandatory course requirement.

Comment from Alex
Posted: June 1, 2012 at 6:54 am

I see. And then which course did you take and how much did it cost? I saw on their page that there is an entire list and you can choose one, or so I figured.

Comment from Jeanne Boyarsky
Posted: June 1, 2012 at 10:15 am

I didn’t take a course. I took the exam before you needed a course. And yes, you can choose any course from that list now.

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Comment from HiMai Minh
Posted: May 2, 2014 at 4:55 pm

Hi, everyone. In order to take the SCEA exam, do I need to learn EJB and Java Server Faces first?

Comment from Jeanne Boyarsky
Posted: May 3, 2014 at 11:25 am

You need to understand them conceptual, be able to design EJB and JSF and make decisions about them. You do not need to be able to code them.

Comment from Himai Minh
Posted: May 16, 2014 at 6:08 pm

Hi, everyone.
I am planning to take SCEA 6, will the free mock exams helpful ? Those mock exams are useful for SCEA 5.

Comment from Jeanne Boyarsky
Posted: May 21, 2014 at 10:46 pm

Himai: Exams targeting the version of the exam you are taking are best. SCEA/OCMEA 5 exams will help some for the OCMEA 6. But not as much as OCMEA 6 mocks.

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