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		By: jeanne&#8217;s oca/ocajp java programmer I experiences &#124; Down Home Country Coding With Scott Selikoff and Jeanne Boyarsky		</title>
		<link>https://www.selikoff.net/2009/07/06/sun-java-programmer-plus-certification/comment-page-1/#comment-5009</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jeanne&#8217;s oca/ocajp java programmer I experiences &#124; Down Home Country Coding With Scott Selikoff and Jeanne Boyarsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 May 2012 03:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] 2009, their were rumors of the Programmer Plus exam.  If that exam existed, I wanted to take the beta of it because it sounded *so cool.*  I re-read [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] 2009, their were rumors of the Programmer Plus exam.  If that exam existed, I wanted to take the beta of it because it sounded *so cool.*  I re-read [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: What&#8217;s next for Sun certifications now that Oracle is in charge? &#124; Down Home Country Coding With Scott Selikoff and Jeanne Boyarsky		</title>
		<link>https://www.selikoff.net/2009/07/06/sun-java-programmer-plus-certification/comment-page-1/#comment-2550</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[What&#8217;s next for Sun certifications now that Oracle is in charge? &#124; Down Home Country Coding With Scott Selikoff and Jeanne Boyarsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jul 2010 19:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] of the upcoming JEE 6 curriculum.  I&#8217;ve saved the image here in case it disappears like the SCJP Plus information did.  The learning paths on Oracle&#8217;s site do gel with this info so I think it [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] of the upcoming JEE 6 curriculum.  I&#8217;ve saved the image here in case it disappears like the SCJP Plus information did.  The learning paths on Oracle&#8217;s site do gel with this info so I think it [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Tahir Akram		</title>
		<link>https://www.selikoff.net/2009/07/06/sun-java-programmer-plus-certification/comment-page-1/#comment-1843</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tahir Akram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Just got a email from SUN that this certification has been delayed. 

http://www.pakzilla.com/2009/08/28/scjp-plus-beta-certification-exam-delayed/]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just got a email from SUN that this certification has been delayed. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.pakzilla.com/2009/08/28/scjp-plus-beta-certification-exam-delayed/" rel="nofollow ugc">http://www.pakzilla.com/2009/08/28/scjp-plus-beta-certification-exam-delayed/</a></p>
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		By: Shaun Abram &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Details of the new Sun Java Programmer Plus Certification		</title>
		<link>https://www.selikoff.net/2009/07/06/sun-java-programmer-plus-certification/comment-page-1/#comment-1769</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shaun Abram &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Details of the new Sun Java Programmer Plus Certification]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 17:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[[...] exam announced at Java One, but said they weren&#8217;t many details yet. However, I found this blog post which points to Sun&#8217;s web site where they announce and give details of the new Sun Java [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] exam announced at Java One, but said they weren&#8217;t many details yet. However, I found this blog post which points to Sun&#8217;s web site where they announce and give details of the new Sun Java [&#8230;]</p>
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		By: Jeanne Boyarsky		</title>
		<link>https://www.selikoff.net/2009/07/06/sun-java-programmer-plus-certification/comment-page-1/#comment-1761</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeanne Boyarsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Tahir: Hey - it&#039;s gone!  You noticed :).]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tahir: Hey &#8211; it&#8217;s gone!  You noticed :).</p>
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		By: Tahir Akram		</title>
		<link>https://www.selikoff.net/2009/07/06/sun-java-programmer-plus-certification/comment-page-1/#comment-1760</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tahir Akram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:41:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I wonder why SUN has removed SCJP Plus page from its website...did some one noticed??]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder why SUN has removed SCJP Plus page from its website&#8230;did some one noticed??</p>
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		By: OtengiM		</title>
		<link>https://www.selikoff.net/2009/07/06/sun-java-programmer-plus-certification/comment-page-1/#comment-1756</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[OtengiM]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Jul 2009 06:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Asking for exam but there is not a proper Java SE 7 spec?, ROFL.

The language does not exist and is not a standard, why should one study and pay and pass for a test just to get a ghost certification paper?.

Java ecosytem is blowing lately.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asking for exam but there is not a proper Java SE 7 spec?, ROFL.</p>
<p>The language does not exist and is not a standard, why should one study and pay and pass for a test just to get a ghost certification paper?.</p>
<p>Java ecosytem is blowing lately.</p>
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		By: Jeanne Boyarsky		</title>
		<link>https://www.selikoff.net/2009/07/06/sun-java-programmer-plus-certification/comment-page-1/#comment-1754</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeanne Boyarsky]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Ethervoid: You still need to practice with it and frequently used APIs become memorable.  But the ones that aren&#039;t used so often aren&#039;t something I store in memory!

Haemi: The programmer plus sounds like it replaces the current SCJP.  It doesn&#039;t have any relation to the SCWCD.  If you want to learn/certify on web, go for it!

Raveman: Yeah.  Isn&#039;t that what the compiler is for? :)

Matt: Well said.  If my power goes out, my laptop is out of battery shortly thereafter anyway.  Whether the code compiles is the least of my worries :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ethervoid: You still need to practice with it and frequently used APIs become memorable.  But the ones that aren&#8217;t used so often aren&#8217;t something I store in memory!</p>
<p>Haemi: The programmer plus sounds like it replaces the current SCJP.  It doesn&#8217;t have any relation to the SCWCD.  If you want to learn/certify on web, go for it!</p>
<p>Raveman: Yeah.  Isn&#8217;t that what the compiler is for? 🙂</p>
<p>Matt: Well said.  If my power goes out, my laptop is out of battery shortly thereafter anyway.  Whether the code compiles is the least of my worries 🙂</p>
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		By: Matt		</title>
		<link>https://www.selikoff.net/2009/07/06/sun-java-programmer-plus-certification/comment-page-1/#comment-1753</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Matt]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 21:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Whatever the case, something should be done.  The current exams, to simplify the explanation, focus on having the test taker be able to act as a human compiler.

At least 50% [at *Least*] of the questions on the exams / practice exams I&#039;ve seen and taken are questions that should never, ever be given time to solve in the work environment.  Compilers will handle questions that have a 2-dimension array through a 4-dimension array, and solving for a 1-dimension array.

If any developer of mine tried to waste time solving for that instead of letting the compiler do it, I would need to discuss their time management strategy.

The current tests are not about programming or being able to program. Of course I&#039;m not saying that the people who take and pass the exam can&#039;t program; I&#039;m sure they can.  But the exams themselves, they do not prove one way or the other whether someone can program -- only whether they can compile if the power goes out.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever the case, something should be done.  The current exams, to simplify the explanation, focus on having the test taker be able to act as a human compiler.</p>
<p>At least 50% [at *Least*] of the questions on the exams / practice exams I&#8217;ve seen and taken are questions that should never, ever be given time to solve in the work environment.  Compilers will handle questions that have a 2-dimension array through a 4-dimension array, and solving for a 1-dimension array.</p>
<p>If any developer of mine tried to waste time solving for that instead of letting the compiler do it, I would need to discuss their time management strategy.</p>
<p>The current tests are not about programming or being able to program. Of course I&#8217;m not saying that the people who take and pass the exam can&#8217;t program; I&#8217;m sure they can.  But the exams themselves, they do not prove one way or the other whether someone can program &#8212; only whether they can compile if the power goes out.</p>
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		By: Tahir Akram		</title>
		<link>https://www.selikoff.net/2009/07/06/sun-java-programmer-plus-certification/comment-page-1/#comment-1751</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tahir Akram]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 14:36:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I have purchased the voucher but that is for SCJP5 (original). I am preparing for that. Having a hands on programming in exam is a good move. Best of luck who are taking exams.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have purchased the voucher but that is for SCJP5 (original). I am preparing for that. Having a hands on programming in exam is a good move. Best of luck who are taking exams.</p>
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